i think that, you know, look, hillary clinton is a formidable obama th obama that skal. i think some times people forget throughout history no incumbent vice president has been denied the nomination of his party since 1952. >> wow, well let me ask you following up on that, maria, do you think biden is seriously thinking about running? let me show you what he said on election day since bob went there, let me go there with him. on election day, it kind of raised a few eyebrows. watch what happened in an exchange joe biden had. >> um-hmm. i remember, yep, yep. >> this is the eighth time that i've run statewide in the state of delaware. and it's alms a kick. and it really is to see people out here and to hope everybody exercises their right to vote. it's a great honor. >> it's the last time you're going to vote for yourself? >> no, i don't think so. >> i don't think so that it's the last time he's going to vote for himself. what was he saying? is he running, maria? and if he were to run, is he as formidable, in your opinion, as our friend bob here thinks he is? >> what's so